tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post115085849484036138..comments2023-12-29T21:34:44.579-05:00Comments on Political Yen/Yang: A Question For Any/AllLA Sunsethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1151348443215716782006-06-26T15:00:00.000-04:002006-06-26T15:00:00.000-04:00I don't think the outrage about what happened to t...I don't think the outrage about what happened to those soldiers doesn't exist. There are still a lot of questions about how those soldiers were captured, whether they were left without support from the other soldiers, etc. Also, I have to wonder if the MSM is waiting to get more information before commenting on it. You have to remember, those soldiers died a brutal death and the families are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1151347244931321612006-06-26T14:40:00.000-04:002006-06-26T14:40:00.000-04:00I don't think the outrage about what happened to t...I don't think the outrage about what happened to those soldiers doesn't exist. There are still a lot of questions about how those soldiers were captured, whether they were left without support from the other soldiers, etc. Also, I have to wonder if the MSM is waiting to get more information before commenting on it. You have to remember, those soldiers died a brutal death and the families are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1151028208267701332006-06-22T22:03:00.000-04:002006-06-22T22:03:00.000-04:00ms. miami, no problem. and this entire one is jus...ms. miami, <BR/><BR/>no problem. and this entire one is just for you. :)<BR/><BR/>AICSAll_I_Can_Standshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706352699628789787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1151014022646045632006-06-22T18:07:00.000-04:002006-06-22T18:07:00.000-04:00Ms. Miami,questioning the question is not the same...Ms. Miami,<BR/><BR/><EM>questioning the question is not the same as skirting an issue. i think that it's always important for people to question the methodology used in such debates.</EM><BR/><BR/>This is not a dissertation, not a thesis, it's not even an undergraduate research project. If it was, I certainly would expect such strict scrutiny. It's a blog that contains commentary from me. I am LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150993944891881162006-06-22T12:32:00.000-04:002006-06-22T12:32:00.000-04:00aics- your second comment, which included the ques...aics- your second comment, which included the question about amnesty international et al., began with <I>"ms. miami,"</I>.<BR/><BR/>i take it that the last paragraph of the comment was meant to be general. sorry, it wasn't clear to me, hence, my confusion...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150984823780106032006-06-22T10:00:00.000-04:002006-06-22T10:00:00.000-04:00ms. miami said:aics- are you assuming that i repre...ms. miami said:<BR/><BR/><I>aics- are you assuming that i represent either of these organizations? it really doesn't make sense to ask me this question.</I><BR/><BR/>My first comment was not directed to you. You questioned it which is fine. I answered giving a list of specific groups I view as being inconsistent. I then launched into a specific question for the benefit of all about Amnesty All_I_Can_Standshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706352699628789787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150981303708340622006-06-22T09:01:00.000-04:002006-06-22T09:01:00.000-04:00lasunsett- questioning the question is not the sam...lasunsett- questioning the question is not the same as skirting an issue. i think that it's always important for people to question the methodology used in such debates.<BR/><BR/>your post presented an inconsistency that you perceive in society at large. i would request that you specifiy what you mean by "people" in future posts. the media and international orgs don't necessarily represent me,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150980454636745912006-06-22T08:47:00.000-04:002006-06-22T08:47:00.000-04:00LA, Just FYI...Protest in Culver City, CA, on Frid...LA, <BR/>Just FYI...<A HREF="http://ibloga.blogspot.com/2006/06/information-from-my-in-box.html" REL="nofollow">Protest</A> in Culver City, CA, on Friday, June 23.Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01216119321836479641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150976203241336212006-06-22T07:36:00.000-04:002006-06-22T07:36:00.000-04:00Thanks to everyone for the responses and my apolog...Thanks to everyone for the responses and my apologies for not getting back sooner to address the comments and to put another one of my antagonistic posts. I was late getting back and was thoroughly wiped out. (You know I am tired when I am too tired to blog.)<BR/><BR/>Ms. Miami,<BR/><BR/><EM>i notice that there is a lot of "real discussion" avoidance on this blog.</EM><BR/><BR/>How so? I think LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150946530999986672006-06-21T23:22:00.000-04:002006-06-21T23:22:00.000-04:00There was no specific outcry concerning about the ...There was no specific outcry concerning about the horrible end of our soldiers because it is self-evident that it was horrible. I don't hear anyone defending those who killed our soldiers in such fashion. Because it's indefensible. Those who killed our soldiers should be pursued and killed. I don't know of anyone who thinks our soliders deserved to die this way. Because they didn't. <BR/><BR/>Genehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15727285528866926591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150944853991792022006-06-21T22:54:00.000-04:002006-06-21T22:54:00.000-04:00mustang- i'm aware of these examples, but wouldn't...mustang- i'm aware of these examples, but wouldn't call them "many" in relation to our population as a whole.<BR/><BR/>i also find these things appalling.<BR/><BR/>i agree that many media outlets are problematic (i gravitate towards non-conventional and international outlets).<BR/><BR/>to quickly reiterate what i was typing as you were typing, what does that have to do with me?<BR/><BR/>i'd Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150944608284313802006-06-21T22:50:00.000-04:002006-06-21T22:50:00.000-04:00//By the way, where is Amnesty International and t...//By the way, where is Amnesty International and the International Red Cross on this? //<BR/><BR/>aics- are you assuming that i represent either of these organizations? it really doesn't make sense to ask <I>me</I> this question.<BR/><BR/>i notice that there is a lot of "real discussion" avoidance on this blog.<BR/><BR/>it's a rather simple trick to "define" someone based on a couple of commentsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150944379655721402006-06-21T22:46:00.000-04:002006-06-21T22:46:00.000-04:00@Ms. Miami:Mustang – could you please provide some...@Ms. Miami:<BR/><BR/><B><EM>Mustang – could you please provide some evidence of "many in this country" believing that the soldiers "got what they deserved"?</B></EM><BR/><BR/>Yes. How should we describe people who appear at funeral services for soldiers killed in action, carrying signs that say “Live by the sword, perish by the sword?” The number of such demonstrations was enough to force a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150939465459189322006-06-21T21:24:00.000-04:002006-06-21T21:24:00.000-04:00ms. miami,LA's question included the line "Why no ...ms. miami,<BR/><BR/>LA's question included the line "Why no outcry from the same people that loudly condemn the Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and other such things?"<BR/><BR/>Those who produced an outcry of these includes:<BR/><BR/> - individuals<BR/> - mainstream media<BR/> - human rights organizations<BR/> - other organizations<BR/><BR/>If you wish to limit "people" to individuals then we simply interpretAll_I_Can_Standshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706352699628789787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150937107571368302006-06-21T20:45:00.000-04:002006-06-21T20:45:00.000-04:00LA,I'm late commenting here because I couldn't get...LA,<BR/>I'm late commenting here because I couldn't get word verification to appear. Blogger glitch? Browser glitch? Who knows?<BR/><BR/><I>Why no outcry from the same people that loudly condemn the Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, and other such things?</I><BR/><BR/>I'm probably being too simplistic here, but I think that anything which demonizes the enemy is glossed over, whereas anything which demonizes Always On Watchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01216119321836479641noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150930051381925122006-06-21T18:47:00.000-04:002006-06-21T18:47:00.000-04:00i'm quite confused here. is this post supposed to ...i'm quite confused here. <BR/><BR/>is this post supposed to be about how the american main stream media reacts to either of these stories or how people (i.e. individuals) react?<BR/><BR/>i'm sensing some conflation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150928699376887352006-06-21T18:24:00.000-04:002006-06-21T18:24:00.000-04:00I think that one telling point is that when an eve...I think that one telling point is that when an event happens and it comes over the newswire we almost know to a "T" how the media is going to portray it before they even open their mouth or print about it. How do we know that if there is no template?<BR/><BR/>When we hear a Quran is flushed (later shown to be false) we know that there will be a tone of outrage in the media. We know it will be All_I_Can_Standshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13706352699628789787noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150926947486089392006-06-21T17:55:00.000-04:002006-06-21T17:55:00.000-04:00Just to remain fair:The same reasoning can be appl...Just to remain fair:<BR/><BR/>The same reasoning can be applied to us in some respects. First, the answer to why there is no outcry from them:<BR/><BR/>Because this is not politiclaly expediant to their cause. It serves no political or self-interest to protest US soldiers being tortured before being murdered.<BR/><BR/>Now, how does this same logic apply to the US.<BR/><BR/>While we initally G_in_ALhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00639196448972069617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150925588829508122006-06-21T17:33:00.000-04:002006-06-21T17:33:00.000-04:00Because LA, had we retreated to the horizon last y...Because LA, had we retreated to the horizon last year these men would still be alive. Any soldier's death in Iraq is due to Bush's intransigence and ignorance for going there to begin with, and remaining after no WMDs were found. Invading Iraq was not about the WoT, it was about oil. <BR/><BR/>Saddam was a huge threat during the Clinton years, but Clinton's policies of targeted bombings A.C. McCloudhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04961702447997409190noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150913055993939972006-06-21T14:04:00.000-04:002006-06-21T14:04:00.000-04:00mustang- could you please provide some evidence of...mustang- could you please provide some evidence of "many in this country" believing that the soldiers "got what they deserved"?<BR/><BR/>p.s. broad claims about "the left" and "the right" is really a method of avoiding an authentic discussion. if people can back up their claims, they can use specific arguments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150908156234982152006-06-21T12:42:00.000-04:002006-06-21T12:42:00.000-04:00LA:Aside from the fact that “missing in action” tr...LA:<BR/><BR/>Aside from the fact that “missing in action” troops brings to the fore all kinds of concerns about leadership and accountability, the fact is that many in this country believe that the two soldiers “probably got what they deserved.”<BR/><BR/>I’m not sure why anyone would think that another human being “deserves” to be brutally tortured unto death. I have seen coverage of the story Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1150889511559381042006-06-21T07:31:00.000-04:002006-06-21T07:31:00.000-04:00lasunsett- sorry, but i find this comparison compl...lasunsett- sorry, but i find this comparison completely inapt.<BR/><BR/>i also consider it a low blow to imply that those who care about violence and injustice (real or perceived) perpetrated by the american government do not care about violence and injustice perpetrated by terrorists.<BR/><BR/>in any case, the <I>intensity</I> of any outcry will depend, among other things, upon the availability Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com