tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post116623612284597886..comments2023-12-29T21:34:44.579-05:00Comments on Political Yen/Yang: Jihad Of The Tongue: Part ?LA Sunsethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166588373936761492006-12-19T23:19:00.000-05:002006-12-19T23:19:00.000-05:00LASunsett, I know there is no mean spirit in your ...LASunsett, I know there is no mean spirit in your house.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166577299682506292006-12-19T20:14:00.000-05:002006-12-19T20:14:00.000-05:00MsM,//suit yourself. i'd rather move beyond the ga...MsM,<BR/><BR/><EM>//suit yourself. i'd rather move beyond the game//</EM><BR/><BR/>Believe me when I say it, so would I. But for that to happen, all parties must move beyond it, not just us.<BR/><BR/><EM>//btw- when i mention endoctrination, i'm not speaking about attack drills, but rather all of the lessons i was given on how soviet citizens were evil and horrible people.//</EM><BR/><BR/>The LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166576324655121772006-12-19T19:58:00.000-05:002006-12-19T19:58:00.000-05:00las-suit yourself. i'd rather move beyond the game...las-<BR/><BR/>suit yourself. i'd rather move beyond the game, but my government isn't exactly knocking on my door and asking for my opinion.<BR/><BR/>btw- when i mention endoctrination, i'm not speaking about attack drills, but rather all of the lessons i was given on how soviet citizens were evil and horrible people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166576132843051512006-12-19T19:55:00.000-05:002006-12-19T19:55:00.000-05:00Anonim,//I am sorry but I can't keep track of what...Anonim,<BR/><BR/><EM>//I am sorry but I can't keep track of what is being discussed.//</EM><BR/><BR/>The topic evolves at times around here. As it does, in most blogs. We like to argue, not in a mean-spirited way mind you, but in the spirit of honing our intellectual acuity.<BR/><BR/>BTW, thanks for the link to the blog. I read his entries that you recommended and have bookmarked it, for future LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166574898553540412006-12-19T19:34:00.000-05:002006-12-19T19:34:00.000-05:00MsM (as many times as you and I address each other...MsM (as many times as you and I address each other during the course of our debates, I am going to shorten your name to this, if that's okay?),<BR/><BR/><EM>//my days were post-stalin, but i remember our 'endoctrination' very well. it goes both ways.//</EM><BR/><BR/>I was born just after Stalin's death. We still had the drills into the early 60s, although they weren't as frequent after the Cuban LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166567952932069862006-12-19T17:39:00.000-05:002006-12-19T17:39:00.000-05:00las- my days were post-stalin, but i remember our ...las- my days were post-stalin, but i remember our 'endoctrination' very well. it goes both ways.<BR/><BR/>my bottom line is that this is and always has been a game. a sordid, ugly game.<BR/><BR/>we're involved because our government has chosen for decades to play the game of proxy wars, involving itself in coups, etc.<BR/><BR/>there is a reason that canadians and swedes, for example, don't haveAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166558839401314412006-12-19T15:07:00.000-05:002006-12-19T15:07:00.000-05:00First, Greg: I didn't mean the US created or suppo...First, Greg: I didn't mean the US created or supported violent Islamists as such. But that's what arose in Afhanistan at the end. Apparently, the Northern coalition was not strong or unified enough to hold it together. We'd have a similar situation (a more radicalized warring country) if the US withdrew from Iraq today. What do we think about McCain's position re: Iraq?<BR/><BR/>LASunsett, I am Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166546347020857172006-12-19T11:39:00.000-05:002006-12-19T11:39:00.000-05:00//She told me that is was common knowledge//should...<EM>//She told me that is was common knowledge//</EM><BR/><BR/>should read:<BR/><BR/>She told me that <B>it</B> was common knowledgeLA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166546220147463462006-12-19T11:37:00.000-05:002006-12-19T11:37:00.000-05:00Ms Miami,//we were also endoctrinated to "hate" th...Ms Miami,<BR/><BR/><EM>//we were also endoctrinated to "hate" the soviets for decades. i clearly remember the "perverted" lessons i was given in school. it's what countries that decide to "play the game" do.//</EM><BR/><BR/>Not sure how old you are, but I remember the nuke bomb drills where we got under the desk. (Like that was going to help)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, the thing I would point out here is, LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166542300387669332006-12-19T10:31:00.000-05:002006-12-19T10:31:00.000-05:00Anonim: do we know each other? Why would you think...Anonim: do we know each other? Why would you think I would "jump all over you"?<BR/><BR/>I won't. But I would like to correct a factual error in your post - the notion that the US "created" or supported violent islamists in Afghanistan. It's an oft repeated myth, but with no basis in actual fact. Our friends in kicking out the Soviets were the Northern Alliance - al Qaeda's sworn enemy in that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166540672762869392006-12-19T10:04:00.000-05:002006-12-19T10:04:00.000-05:00las- i'm not sure where you're trying to go with t...las- i'm not sure where you're trying to go with this. this is politics as usual.<BR/><BR/>we were also endoctrinated to "hate" the soviets for decades. i clearly remember the "perverted" lessons i was given in school. it's what countries that decide to "play the game" do.<BR/><BR/>i agree with you that the fundamental problem is lack of economic development throughout the world. however, ourAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166539398695941752006-12-19T09:43:00.000-05:002006-12-19T09:43:00.000-05:00Hi Ms Miami,//i don't think that things are so sim...Hi Ms Miami,<BR/><BR/><EM>//i don't think that things are so simple. can you think of any shining post-colonial example? i can't, off the top of my head.//</EM><BR/><BR/>My point exactly. It's not that they haven't had opportunities, after all, they have the most sought after and needed non-renewable resources in the entire world. How much revenue do you think has passed through their hands over LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166534646130544292006-12-19T08:24:00.000-05:002006-12-19T08:24:00.000-05:00Now that these countries have won their independen...<I>Now that these countries have won their independence from the colonialists, they have had opportunities to move forward. Most have not.</I><BR/><BR/>las- again, i don't think that things are so simple. can you think of any shining post-colonial example? i can't, off the top of my head.<BR/><BR/>(keep in mind that 'colonialism' was very different in the u.s., canada & australia compared to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166509389093126472006-12-19T01:23:00.000-05:002006-12-19T01:23:00.000-05:00Anonim, Ms Miami, (and whoever else may be lurking...Anonim, Ms Miami, (and whoever else may be lurking),<BR/><BR/>I fully understand that Islam is not a homogenous religion. I also understand there is no homogenous Arab society.<BR/><BR/>I know several Muslims personally, who are part of the 21st century. They live right here in America and fly their American flags proudly. One, is very prominent and has written many books and articles on his viewLA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166478451086472812006-12-18T16:47:00.000-05:002006-12-18T16:47:00.000-05:00oops- that was me.oops- that was me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166478402086364512006-12-18T16:46:00.000-05:002006-12-18T16:46:00.000-05:00la-i'm no expert on the middle east, but have spen...la-<BR/><BR/>i'm no expert on the middle east, but have spent some time in turkey (with a turkish family), have gotten to know many people of north african origin while in france, and have gotten to know people from tunisia, egypt and lebanon here in the u.s.<BR/><BR/>as difficult as it would be to say that, oh, let's say, indianapolis and miami are "the same," let alone all countries of "the Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166474107859198452006-12-18T15:35:00.000-05:002006-12-18T15:35:00.000-05:00LASunsett, yes, you flushed me out. It was a good ...LASunsett, yes, you flushed me out. It was a good bath. Thank you...<BR/><BR/>I am not very knowledgeable in Arab matters and history. But their political development has been arrested by the Western colonial enterprise from at least 19th century on; after about WWII, meddling into their affairs, installing puppet regimes, by the West for Western interests continued. There were remarkable, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166468430989384532006-12-18T14:00:00.000-05:002006-12-18T14:00:00.000-05:00Hi Anonim,I knew this would flush you out of lurki...Hi Anonim,<BR/><BR/>I knew this would flush you out of lurking status.<BR/><BR/>;)<BR/><BR/><EM>//you are using too broad an anti-Arab brush when you say "They hate our culture. They are still in the Middle Ages, we are not. ..." It simply cannot be not true.//</EM><BR/><BR/>Maybe, maybe not. But before you deem it as painting it with a "broad brush", let's consider some things here.<BR/><BR/>LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166467062727230372006-12-18T13:37:00.000-05:002006-12-18T13:37:00.000-05:00Ms Miami,//there is no "muslim society," but there...Ms Miami,<BR/><BR/><EM>//there is no "muslim society," but there are muslim societies.//</EM><BR/><BR/>Point well-taken. It's what I get for trying to post and comment on 4 hours sleep. <BR/><BR/>I should have said:<BR/><BR/>"in most predominantly Muslim societies"LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166459300041453042006-12-18T11:28:00.000-05:002006-12-18T11:28:00.000-05:00LASunsett, you are using too broad an anti-Arab br...LASunsett, you are using too broad an anti-Arab brush when you say "They hate our culture. They are still in the Middle Ages, we are not. ..." It simply cannot be not true.<BR/><BR/>P.S. I would take Iran's efforts to develop nuclear capability seriously; but, their president and what he keeps saying are in general laughable.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166458431738844112006-12-18T11:13:00.000-05:002006-12-18T11:13:00.000-05:00Muslim society from a native. Sickening. Scary.ht...Muslim society from a native. Sickening. Scary.<BR/><BR/>http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-ali16dec16,0,2351518.story?coll=la-home-commentaryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166452263376739962006-12-18T09:31:00.000-05:002006-12-18T09:31:00.000-05:00lasunsett- "they"? "muslim society"?there is no "...lasunsett- "they"? "muslim society"?<BR/><BR/>there is no "muslim society," but there are muslim societies.<BR/><BR/>it's a horrible trap in which to fall- painting a vast and diverse portion of the world as a monolith.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166451806632242092006-12-18T09:23:00.000-05:002006-12-18T09:23:00.000-05:00Greg,Another factor I left out is, they have been ...Greg,<BR/><BR/>Another factor I left out is, they have been teaching this Hitleresque garbage for several generations now. It is very well-planted in Muslim society. And because it has taken many years to reach this point, it will likewise take many to root it out. But one has to begin to root it out, not just look the other way, like those westerners you mention.LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-1166450409678265702006-12-18T09:00:00.000-05:002006-12-18T09:00:00.000-05:00The stark truth is, they hated us well before Iraq...<I>The stark truth is, they hated us well before Iraq was ever thought of. They teach their children to hate Israel and the U.S., as part of the school curriculum.</I><BR/><BR/>That says it all. There's a reason these countries have a monopoly on information that includes blocking all but the most regime-friendly websites, and arresting people who put satellite dishes on their homes. If their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com