tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post2042993394848607398..comments2023-12-29T21:34:44.579-05:00Comments on Political Yen/Yang: Colorado University Fires Ward ChurchillLA Sunsethttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-16206408956498599712007-07-26T16:07:00.000-04:002007-07-26T16:07:00.000-04:00It's one thing to have a tenured professor already...It's one thing to have a tenured professor already on the payroll say discpicable things about 9/11 victims. But if a university hires someone knowing he holds those views, it really does mean 9/11 means nothing to some people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-29487798479911497842007-07-26T13:25:00.000-04:002007-07-26T13:25:00.000-04:00Greg,//In any case, now that he is fired, other un...Greg,<BR/><BR/><EM>//In any case, now that he is fired, other universities won't have to hire him and he may be out of the business of brainwashing college students. All's well that ends well.//</EM><BR/><BR/>I wish I could share your confidence on this one, but I am not so sure. This guy would be the the right candidate for a position at UC-Berkley, Columbia University, or his alma mater LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-47992518892231915902007-07-26T08:40:00.000-04:002007-07-26T08:40:00.000-04:00Wasn't the President of Harvard canned for exercis...<I>Wasn't the President of Harvard canned for exercising his free speech?</I><BR/><BR/>Indeed. And actually, it has harmed the university. They had trouble finding someone to take his place, and large donations have been withdrawn.<BR/><BR/>Also, l'Amerloque makes the essential point that it IS different when you're talking about a public university. They simply can't fire someone because of Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-16645992327564854912007-07-26T03:45:00.000-04:002007-07-26T03:45:00.000-04:00Hi Greg !/*/ …/… Everyone in America is for free s...Hi Greg !<BR/><BR/><BR/>/*/ …/… Everyone in America is for free speech (well, except those pushing the so-called "fairness doctrine"), but where in the Constitution does it say the gov't has to pay for one's offensive speech? CU is a public university. They wouldn't tolerate a racist professor or a creationist biology prof, would they? /*/<BR/><BR/><BR/>(smile) What it says in the Constitution isL'Amerloquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03447075237256204460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-23077548228242907152007-07-25T18:41:00.000-04:002007-07-25T18:41:00.000-04:00Hi Mustang,//One consequence of grudging commentar...Hi Mustang,<BR/><BR/><EM>//One consequence of grudging commentary may be that others will come to see the speaker as a complete idiot.//</EM><BR/><BR/>Another is that it irritates enough people that will dig into the speaker's background and come up with all kinds of skeletons, like falsified work. <BR/><BR/>I have little doubt, had he never made those idiotic remarks, it's quite possible he'd LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-30619257055983085572007-07-25T18:28:00.000-04:002007-07-25T18:28:00.000-04:00Greg,//They wouldn't tolerate a racist professor o...Greg,<BR/><BR/><EM>//They wouldn't tolerate a racist professor or a creationist biology prof, would they?//</EM><BR/><BR/>Wasn't the President of Harvard canned for exercising his free speech?LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-22574486862053249952007-07-25T18:25:00.000-04:002007-07-25T18:25:00.000-04:00Hi Amerloque,//while Amerloque and LASunsett might...Hi Amerloque,<BR/><BR/><EM>//while Amerloque and LASunsett might not necessarily come down on the same side of the coin about Churchill's 9/11 comments//</EM><BR/><BR/>I am with you. <BR/><BR/>I don't agree with his comments. But, I have no problem with Churchill saying what he wants. I, like you, support free speech even if the person says things that are irrational and dead wrong. I even said LA Sunsethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445498119590721449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-6743033058218561612007-07-25T12:10:00.000-04:002007-07-25T12:10:00.000-04:00Okay . . . I'm not sure what happened (above) but ...Okay . . . I'm not sure what happened (above) but here is what I intened to say . . .<BR/><BR/>About free speech: when brave young men and women pay the ultimate price for preserving the right of self-expression, it isn’t “free.” <BR/><BR/>With that observation, not all speech enjoys protection from the consequences of expression. For example, a person who announces to others that the boss is a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-28202686791193284642007-07-25T12:08:00.000-04:002007-07-25T12:08:00.000-04:00of others not only act dishonestly, but they stand...of others not only act dishonestly, but they stand in violation of copyright laws as well.<BR/><BR/>Like L'Amerloque, I feel comfortable allowing people to see Churchill for what he is through his own words. Anyone can say what they want, and one consequence of this is that petty comments draw attention to the fact that the speaker may very well be a complete idiot. My point is that it is Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-59133744223517687362007-07-25T10:17:00.000-04:002007-07-25T10:17:00.000-04:00Hi, l'Amerloque.Everyone in America is for free sp...Hi, l'Amerloque.<BR/><BR/>Everyone in America is for free speech (well, except those pushing the so-called "fairness doctrine"), but where in the Constitution does it say the gov't has to pay for one's offensive speech? CU is a public university. They wouldn't tolerate a racist professor or a creationist biology prof, would they?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-64285032472408092392007-07-25T09:58:00.000-04:002007-07-25T09:58:00.000-04:00Hi LASunsett !Amerloque was 100% certain that LASu...Hi LASunsett !<BR/><BR/><BR/>Amerloque was 100% certain that LASunsett would be posting on this. (grin)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Amerloque defends all free speech – in spite of the "Eichmanns" comment and the "chickens coming home to roost" comment. <BR/><BR/><BR/>Without free speech – about anything and everything – the Constitution means nothing. Living over here where there is but limited free speech, L'Amerloquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03447075237256204460noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-59550331894469571192007-07-25T09:39:00.000-04:002007-07-25T09:39:00.000-04:00Although, I guess Churchill isn't a "truther," str...Although, I guess Churchill isn't a "truther," strictly speaking. He said something along the lines of, "It's too bad we had to wait for arabs to do what we should have done ourselves a long time ago." He's worse than a truther - he actually was happy on 9/11.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-10276952.post-16236507125365280052007-07-25T09:38:00.000-04:002007-07-25T09:38:00.000-04:00I'm a bit disappointed he wasn't fired for the "li...I'm a bit disappointed he wasn't fired for the "little Eichmans" comment. That's all I needed to hear.<BR/><BR/>Gotta love these professors who defend him: <I>Many professors said they saw the decision coming and said they were crushed by what it might do to recruiting creative professors to the campus.</I><BR/><BR/>"Creative"??? Listen, I have a creative new theory on the holocaust - it's a Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com