Wednesday, December 07, 2005

A Day That Will Live In Infamy

Today is that day that FDR said was "a day that will live in infamy", 64 years later. Ask anyone that was old enough to remember that day in 1941 and they will tell you, it was a Sunday just like any other Sunday, before Christmas. My father said he was listening to a radio show called, Captain Midnight, when the news came through. There was no CNN, no Fox News, and no 24 hour news cycle complete with sound bites.

In the days leading up to that moment in time, Roosevelt had been arguing for assisting Britain in their time of need, as the Nazis relentlessly bombed the island. Many isolationists were in government and were very resistant to entering what was then perceived as, Europe's war. (They had their heads in the sand, just as Neville Chamberlain and company did before the Battle of Britain.) Many even formed a committee called the America First Committee, with the support and blessings of one famous name, Charles Lindbergh.

They were adamant. They were loud, they were vocal. They participated in the debate and made enough noise, up to that point in time, because FDR could not garner enough support to enter the war. So we didn't.

But when the bombs fell in an unprovoked attack by the Japanese Navy, Americans suddenly woke up. Those that opposed the war before the attack, suddenly were able to come to grips with the fact that they were wrong. There were a few that held out, they held out throughout the war and held out until they died. But the vast majority overcame the sin of human pride and began supporting the effort, after a provocative attack designed to both punish and weaken.

Let's read a short account of this by the former mayor of New York City Ed Koch, posted in an essay last July on the site Real Clear Politics. (I recommend reading the whole piece, because it ties in with the point I am trying to make.)


In 1941, when Japan attacked us at Pearl Harbor and Hitler declared war on the U.S. four days later, there were opponents of the Roosevelt policy of supporting the survival of a British government seeking to repel the pending Nazi invasion. Many of them were allied with the America First Committee led by Charles Lindbergh who sought to use anti-Semitism to coalesce the country, blaming the Jews for the world’s ills. Under that umbrella organization, there were Nazi supporters and others who sought to be neutral in what was then clearly becoming a war of civilizations, pitting European and American democracy against fascist totalitarianism.

Did you catch that? Did you catch the part about the war of civilizations? How familiar does that sound?

Let's read on:


The America First Committee dissolved after December 7, 1941, and most of its adherents stood shoulder-to-shoulder against the enemies of the U.S. and Western civilization.

Let's see, they argued against entering the war, in spite of the formidable threat that was openly apparent. They made their cases. FDR listened to them (for a season) and did not act on his intuitions. And then, when America was attacked, they dissolved the America First Committee and rallied around the cause, the cause of victory.

What a generation of Americans and what a generation of statesmen that must have been. To think that they could disagree, but when the chips were down and American men were going into combat, they could put their differences aside and support the cause of victory for the greatest nation that ever graced this planet.

Now, let's bring this up to more recent history. This generation has now seen its "day of infamy", Sept. 11, 2001. On that day, there was an unprovoked attack on the United States of America. Two planes took down the two towers, one hit the Pentagon, and one took out a field on their way to (probably) somewhere in Washington. But what happened, then?

The people and government united and sang kumbaya, for a little while.

The Administration got approval from Congress to remove the Taliban from Afghanistan and begin to disrupt and break up Al Qaeda. They were successful. During this time, the anthrax attacks were going on, people were definitely concerned. So with all of that in mind, you can see how the whole country was thinking at this time, immediately following this "day of infamy". But that wasn't all.

If that wasn't enough, the threat reports were showing Saddam stood a good chance of possessing WMDs. And that's not all, the previous Administration thought he had them too. So, then we faced a quandry that was debated and argued, the measure was put to a vote. What to do, what to do? On one hand do we vote aginst it and risk that he really does have them? Or, do we get rid the world of him, once and for all, removing all doubt? So, the Congress approved it and rolled the dice with the President. Saddam was to disarm/leave or be disarmed/removed. He refused. We kept our word.

Now, there are many who want to go back and change their vote just as we are getting to the point where we can look at a reasonable exit strategy. They do not want to stay the course. They are now screaming "Vietnam", when Vietnam was much more bloody, more dangerous, and without clearcut objectives.
If you don't believe me, visit "In The Middle Of America", where the bloghost G, has done some research and posted some contrasts, between Iraq and Vietnam.

They are not rallying around the cause of victory, they want to cut and run. That's what they want for their legacy and their contribution to this country, in this time of danger. For the life of me, I cannot imagine the "Greatest Generation" cutting and running from this fight. I just can't. I cannot imagine that any that opposed WWII before the attack on that "day of infamy" would want to go back and change their vote, either. They wanted to win. They knew that the best way to get their boys back home sooner, was to unite for victory.

So to all WWII veterans and those that stayed home and supported the war effort in the best way you could, I say, "thank all of you for the sacrifices you all made and thank you all for not cutting and running".


Cross-posted at The Wide Awakes

8 comments:

Always On Watch said...

There was no CNN, no Fox News, and no 24 hour news cycle complete with sound bites.
I'm a firm believer in First Amendment rights, but the msm are damaging our efforts to try to do something to help the Middle East resovle its conflicts.

The bombing of Pearl Harbor brought people wide awake (no pun intended here). But 9/11 didn't, not for long, anyway.

Two of my cousins stormed Omaha Beach. Both came home, but died early deaths--probably as a result of the stress. They never, ever complained and were proud to serve.

Thank you for this posting, LA.

Note: Most of my classes have back-to-back tests today, so they see an ironic double-meaning in December 7. Believe me, these middle-schoolers, homeschoolers, know the truth about Pearl Harbor and understand the significance of December 7. This group of kids is not pc.

LA Sunset said...

Thanks to both of you for visiting and reading.

gandalf said...

Brilliant post, if we forget history we cannot learn from it or from the people who did not cut and run, this attack was unprecidented as was 9/11, the following is a rememberance of that day and the atrocity that was committed against the people of America

On this day in infamy


The American Fleet

California Battleship 44 built 1919 21.0 knots Battleship Row; forward of the Maryland and Oklahoma

crew 2,200 2 torpedoing hits, 0800-0810 hours; 1 bomb hit

Maryland Battleship 46

built 1920 21.0 knots Battleship Row; tied to the Oklahoma crew 2,100 2 bomb hits

Oklahoma Battleship 37

built 1914 20.5 knots Battleship Row; tied to the Maryland crew 1,301 5 torpedoing hits; ship capsized; 429 men dead; 32 survivors cut out of hull in following days

Tennessee Battleship 43

built 1919 21.0 knots Battleship Row; inboard of the West Virginia crew 2,200 2 bomb hits

West Virginia Battleship 48
built 1921 21.0 knots Battleship Row; outboard of the Tennessee crew 2,350 6 torpedoing hits; 2 bomb hits; half sunk

Arizona Battleship 39
built 1915 21.0 knots Battleship Row; tied to the Vestal forward of the Nevada crew 1,500 1 torpedoing hit, 0805 hours; 8 bomb hits, 0810 hours; half sunk

Pennsylvania Battleship 38
built 1915 21.0 knots Dry dock; behind the destroyers Cassin and Downes crew 1,301 2 bomb hits, 0900-0910 hours

Nevada Battleship 36
built 1914 21.0 knots Battleship Row; tied to the Vestal, which was forward of the Nevada crew 1,500 1 torpedoing hit; 6 bomb hits; beached on Hospital Point

Utah
Battleship 31

built 1911 20.0 knots West side of Ford Island 1,001 2 torpedoing hits; capsized to port

Helena
Light Cruiser 50 built 1938 32.5 knots Ten Ten Pier; inboard of the Oglala crew 1,700 1 torpedoing hit

Cassin
Destroyer 372 built 1933 36.5 knots Dry dock; next to the Downes 172 1 bomb hit, 0906 hours

Downes Destroyer 375 built 1933 36.5 knots Dry dock; next to the Cassin 172 2 bomb hits, 0906 hours

Shaw
Destroyer 373 built 1935 36.5 knots Floating dry dock; west of the Pennsylvania and Ten Ten Pier 172 3 bomb hits, 0902 hours; badly damaged

Oglala
Minelayer 4 built 1917 20.0 knots Ten Ten Pier; across from Battleship Row outboard of the Helena 300 1 torpedoing hit, 0930 hours; capsized to port

Argonne
Flagship 31 built 1921 15.5 knots Naval Yard dock; southeast of Battleship Row 85 Not damage

Vestal
Repair Ship 4 built 1909 16.0 knots Battleship Row; tied to the Arizona 466 2 bomb hits; beached on Aiea Sands, 0945 hours





The Japanese Fleet

Akagi Red Castle 1927 31 knots 2,000

Kaga Increased Joy 1920 28.5 knots 27 Zeros, 27 Vals, 27 Kates 2,016

Shokaku Happy Crane 1939 34.5 knots 18 Zeros, 27 Vals, 27 Kates 1,660

Zuikaku Lucky Crane 1939 34.5 knots 18 Zeros, 27 Vals, 27 Kates 1,600

Hiryu Flying Dragon 1939 34.5 knots 24 Zeros, 18 Vals, 18 Kates 1,100

Soryu Green Dragon 1937 34.5 knots 27 Zeros, 18 Vals, 18 Kates 1,100







Aichi 3A2,
Val Type 99 281 mph
(450 kph) 874 miles (1407 km) (1) 250-kg (551-lb) bomb under fusilage
(1) 60-kg (132-lb) bomb under each wing Two back to back Dive Carrier-borne, single-engine bomber

Mitsubishi A6M2 Zeke or Zero
Model 11 340 mph
(544 kph) 1,160 miles
(1867 km) (1) 60-kg (132-lb) bomb under each wing One Carrier-borne fighter

Nakajima B5N2
Kate Type 97,
Model 12 225 mph
(360 kph) 683 miles
(1093 km) (1) 18-in (28-cm) torpedoing
or (1) 500-kg (1100-lb) bomb Two to three Single-engine torpedoing bomber









Akagi, 1st Attack Unit 15 Kates 800-kg (1760-lb) armor-piercing bomb U.S.S. Maryland, U.S.S. Tennessee, or U.S.S. West Virginia

Kaga, 2nd Attack Unit 14 Kates 800-kg (1760-lb) armor-piercing bomb U.S.S. ArizonaU.S.S. Vestal, U.S.S. Tennessee, or U.S.S. West Virginia

Soryu, 3rd Attack Unit 10 Kates 800-kg (1760-lb) armor-piercing bomb U.S.S. Nevada, U.S.S. Tennessee, or U.S.S. West Virginia

Hiryu, 4th Attack Unit 10 Kates 800-kg (1760-lb) armor-piercing bomb U.S.S. Arizona, U.S.S. California

Akagi, 1st Torpedoing Attack Unit 12 Kates Mk 91 aerial torpedoing U.S.S. West Virginia, U.S.S. Oklahoma, or U.S.S. California

Kaga, 2nd Torpedoing Attack Unit 12 Kates Mk 91 aerial torpedoing U.S.S. West Virginia, U.S.S. Oklahoma, or U.S.S. Nevada

Soryu, 3rd Torpedoing Attack Unit 8 Kates Mk 91 aerial torpedoing U.S.S. Utah, U.S.S. Helena, U.S.S. California, or U.S.S. Raleigh

Hiryu, 4th Torpedoing Attack Unit 8 Kates Mk 91 aerial torpedoing U.S.S. West Virginia, U.S.S. Oklahoma, or U.S.S. Helena








Shokaku, 15th Attack Unit 26 Vals 250-kg (550-lb) general-purpose dive-bomb Hickam Field

Zuikaku, 16th Attack Unit 25 Vals 250-kg (550-lb) general-purpose dive-bomb Wheeler Field








Akagi, 1st Fighter Combat Unit 9 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Hickam Field, Ewa Air Control, and grounded aircraft at Ford Island

Kaga, 2nd Fighter Combat Unit 9 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Hickam Field, Ford Island Air Control, and grounded aircraft at Ford Island

Soryu, 3rd Fighter Combat Unit 8 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Wheeler Field, Ewa Air Control, and grounded aircraft at Barbers Point

Hiryu, 4th Fighter Combat Unit 6 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Wheeler Field, Ewa Air Control, and grounded aircraft at Barbers Point

Shokaku, 5th Fighter Combat Unit 6 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Naval Air Station Kaneohe, Bellows Field Air Control, and grounded aircraft at Kaneohe

Zuikaku, 6th Fighter Combat Unit 5 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Air control and grounded aircraft at Kaneohe








Shokaku, 5th Attack Unit 27 Kates (1) 250-kg (551-lb) general-purpose bomb and (6) 60-kg (132-lb) regular bombs bomb under fusilage
Kaneohe Naval Air Station

Zuikaku, 6th Attack Unit 27 Kates (1) 250-kg (551-lb) general-purpose bomb and (6) 60-kg (132-lb) regular bombs Hickam Field









Akagi, 13th Attack Unit 18 Vals 250-kg (551-lb) general purpose dive-bomb Ford Island NW, U.S.S. Neosho, U.S.S. Shaw, and U.S.S. Nevada

Zuikaku, 14th Attack Unit 17 Vals 250-kg (551-lb) general purpose dive-bomb Navy Yard, U.S.S. California, and U.S.S. Maryland

Soryu, 11th Attack Unit 17 Vals 250-kg (551-lb) general purpose dive-bomb Navy Yard, U.S.S. California, and U.S.S. Raleigh

Kaga, 12th Attack Unit 26 Vals 250-kg (551-lb) general purpose dive-bomb U.S.S. Nevada, U.S.S. Maryland, and U.S.S. West Virginia









Akagi, 1st Fighter Combat Unit 9 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Hickam Field

Kaga, 2nd Fighter Combat Unit 9 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon Pearl Harbor

Soryu, 3rd Fighter Combat Unit 9 Zeros 20-milimeter (79-in) Cannon NAS Kaneohe

TEACH YOUR CHILDREN WELL

LA Sunset said...

That's a lot of metal there, Gandalf.

Jason Pappas said...

That's right. People realized their mistake and were solidly behind the war effort. Let's remember that everyone was tired of war from WWI just 25 years before. Still, people faced reality and that was the end of the argument.

Did every battle go right? Far from it. When we invaded North Africa and in the 1st battle of the war, 3000 men died ... fighting the French who we were liberating! We expected them to be loyal to free France when they were loyal to Vichy. The mistakes made in WWII were many and heart-breaking; and everyone knew of the sacrifice.

We have yet to live up to the example of the greatest generation (with exceptions, of course.)

All_I_Can_Stands said...

LA, great post. I wanted to do something about Pearl Harbor, but did not get the time. I'm glad you did and all had good follow up comments.

The greatest generation certainly had a lot more backbone and resolve than ours does.

LA Sunset said...

Jason, AICS, Thanks for reading. I value both of your comments. Both of your blogs are outstanding and read them almost everyday. I may not always have time to comment. But I read them. Thanks again.

G_in_AL said...

I think the real difference is the safty and comfort that everyone in America lives in now days. They forget that all of it is just a blitzkrieg away.