Saturday, September 08, 2007

Switzerland: The Dark Heart Of Europe?

Recently, we had a discussion here about the new proposal being debated in Switzerland.

As you may have guessed, there are some critics.

Switzerland is known as a haven of peace and neutrality. But today it is home to a new extremism that has alarmed the United Nations. Proposals for draconian new laws that target the country's immigrants have been condemned as unjust and racist. A poster campaign, the work of its leading political party, is decried as xenophobic. Has Switzerland become Europe's heart of darkness?


Most that have read this blog for any substantial length of time, well know this: I am not the biggest fan of the UN. I think they are irrelevant and they have no right to tell a country which laws are just and which aren't. The only time I would side with the UN in this area is, if mass genocide were taking place.

Although I personally think that deporting an entire family for the crime(s) of one of their members is a bit harsh, I feel this should best be decided by the Swiss people and not the immoral moralizers of the UN, or nations that claim a similar moral high ground. It makes no sense to me for countries that are in this category, to vehemently criticize the Swiss for this, especially when the same people are usually silent on Darfur.

Here in the U.S., some people are adamantly against us deporting immigrants that commit crimes. However, there will soon be a massive outcry and possibly even a backlash for this to become more commonplace, especially after the recent case in Newark. But, for now, the pro-immigration people that consider open borders as a right, will have their way. Not until many more crimes as horrific as this come to light, will people be willing to look at something as harsh as the Swiss proposal.

But as we look at the proposal by the Swiss one cannot help but think, maybe, despite the drastic nature of the entire thing, they are one step ahead of the process. Families that have a member deported may become embittered and subsequently take actions that are reflective of that bitterness.

10 comments:

A.C. McCloud said...

I guess you could say it's a little xenophobic but you could also say it's a desperate attempt to protect sovereignty and culture. Buchanan was lambasted years ago for his book "Death of the West" that discussed declining European birthrates coupled with increasing African/Asian immigration. Does the draconian reaction of the Swiss suggest he really onto something?

rocket said...

Hi LA

I caught the first half of the Colts but fell asleep at the second half. ( 4:30am here!) We've got a new sports station here. NASN. I don't know if it is permanent or if I'll have to change my cable subscription but for the moment they have put it on and it's included in the package I have.

Now on to the red meat!

"But as we look at the proposal by the Swiss one cannot help but think, maybe, despite the drastic nature of the entire thing, they are one step ahead of the process. Families that have a member deported may become embittered and subsequently take actions that are reflective of that bitterness."

UNless it's your family!

So in this case what do you do about the mother of the cheerleader who didn't make the squad or the little miss beauty pageant candidate who came in second. Will they become bitter and poison the opposition.

I don't believe that question is applicable.

As far as throwing out the entire family. I shall ask the same question. Shall we put Ted Bundy's family in jail for what he did.

In any case immigration has to be controlled and it starts with creating less appealing health care and free meal ticket social systems in Europe. Something that Europe will have to wake up to in the future and may brutally do. France now has quotas of how many people they want to throw out per year.

It's very easy to get into Europe as the borders are mostly land borders such as the US is finding out on it's southern Mexican border.

Sorry for this quick generalization but it's dinner time.

L'Amerloque said...

Hello Rocket !
Hello LASunsett !


/*/ …/… I caught the first half of the Colts but fell asleep at the second half. ( 4:30am here!) We've got a new sports station here. NASN. I don't know if it is permanent or if I'll have to change my cable subscription but for the moment they have put it on and it's included in the package I have. …/…
/*/


Yeah, this NASN is brand new here. The other day when LASunsett asked whether Amerloque follows US baseball, there was no NASN here in Paris. (grin) Now there is ! Yay !


This week Amerloque caught two Dodgers/Cubs games and an Angels/Indians one. Very, very nice: and no ads, to boot ! Cuts into blogging time … (grin) ….


Dunno if the NASN will be around long here, though …. it's on the Noos/Numericable cable provider, the absolutely worst performing company in … the history of world capitalism, bar none … and Amerloque has weighed his words carefully ! (sigh)


/*/ …/… Now on to the red meat! …/…

Yeah. There's a backlash building, in France, too, at least in Amerloque's view.


/*/ ../…. In any case immigration has to be controlled and it starts with creating less appealing health care and free meal ticket social systems in Europe. Something that Europe will have to wake up to in the future and may brutally do. France now has quotas of how many people they want to throw out per year. …/… /*/


Amerloque appreciates the French Minister of Immigraton, who pointed out immediately upon assuming office that he was the minister for legal immigrants, too. About time. (sigh)


Best,
L'Amerloque

LASunsett said...

AC,

//Does the draconian reaction of the Swiss suggest he really onto something?//

I think they could be doing what many in politics do. Think of it like selling real estate. You have the asking price, then the price you really want and can accept.

By casting the line out so far, they could leave room for a settlement. I see nothing wrong with ridding a country of its undesirable immigrant population. Here in the States, there are enough undesirables that are citizens. We do not need another country's chaff to add to it.

LASunsett said...

Hi Rocket,

//So in this case what do you do about the mother of the cheerleader who didn't make the squad or the little miss beauty pageant candidate who came in second. Will they become bitter and poison the opposition.//

Not sure if you heard about this one, but that really did happen here.

//Sorry for this quick generalization but it's dinner time.//

A man has to have sustenance. Far be it from me to do anything that would impede your growth and development. ;)

LASunsett said...

Hi Amerloque,

//This week Amerloque caught two Dodgers/Cubs games and an Angels/Indians one. Very, very nice: and no ads, to boot ! Cuts into blogging time …//

Outstanding. I will be hoping that this works out, so you and Rocket can keep up with the sports you both miss, living in the republique.

//Yeah. There's a backlash building, in France, too, at least in Amerloque's view.//

The way I see it, there are two kinds of people that are supporting initiatives like this. First, we have the truly xenophobic bigots that are full of prejudice and hate. Then, there are the people that do not hate based on race, religion, or national origin; but, they are realistic and pragmatic enough to know and understand that things cannot keep going down this same path. (I know that Rocket, you, and I fall into the last category.)

Because of the bleeding hearts that have the bar set so low, the xenophobes now have something to complain about and their argument is becoming more and more valid. What we need to do is take that argument to a reasonable and practical level, so that the extremists cannot hijack the train. The longer we allow this to go unchecked, the more clout these hatemongers will get.

Anyway, just my thoughts on this sticky complex issue.

LASunsett said...

//(I know that Rocket, you, and I fall into the last category.)//

Let me say that I know of no one that comments regularly on this blog to be xenophobic. Pragmatic, yes. But xenophobic, no.

Anonymous said...

Mich nimmt wunder, was passiert, wenn diese Ausschaffungsinitiative angenommen werden sollte. Ist der naechste Schritt dann der Bau von Konzentrationslagern fuer Sans-Papier?

Gruss,
der Allzeit-Umsichtige

LASunsett said...

Hi AllZeit,

// Ist der naechste Schritt dann der Bau von Konzentrationslagern fuer Sans-Papier?//

I can't see where that would lead back to concentration camps. That's something that the EU would certainly not tolerate. Deportation is not the same as imprisonment.

But welcome to PYY and thank you for posting your view on this.

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